FLATAU, Leavesden, circa 1900
Alison Demarco (alison-demarco1 @t virginmedia.com) wrote: I am trying to trace my Great Grandfather Louis Flatau. He was born in 1853 he was married to Theresa Newstadt, she remarried Albert Waddell in 1892. Yet my Great Grandfather seems to be at the Asylum and died in 1906. He is named deceased on his daughter Caroline Flatau marriage certificate to William Lascelles on the 25th May 1898. Yet I found a record of his death at Leavesden in 1906. I just wondered if you could help.
You don't tell me what the marriage certificate between Theresa and Albert Waddell actually says - but it would seem from the indexes that she gave both her married and maiden names. As divorce was virtually impossible unless you were very rich she must have said she was a widow, and as her husband-to-be was (from the 1901 census) a police inspector he would not have been happy to knowingly enter a bigamous marriage.
When Carrie/Caroline Flatau married you say she also recorded that her father was dead - so there would appear to be two official records that claim that he was dead. Theresa is recorded as married in the 1891 census - but living with her parents - so perhaps he died late in 1890 or early in 1891, but the census record is perhaps less reliable than the marriage certificates.
So why do you think a death in Leavesden Hospital in 1906 could possibly be the Louis/Lewis Flatau who married Theresa? Read Right Name, Wrong Body.
Of course the name is rare and as his father was born in Prussia it might even be that it was properly written in a Russian type script. Whatever the reason there are ample opportunities of such a foreign surname to be misspelt, mis-indexed and perhaps even translated if it is a "meaningful" Prussian name which can be translated to an English meaning with a completely differed spelling. Even without this difficulty the indexes are full of errors (see A Comedy of Errors) so he could very easily have died before 1892 but the death registration is virtually unfindable.
On the other hand if he had been declared a lunatic and placed in Leavesden the family may have lied about it and simply abandoned him there and told everyone he was dead. For this to happen there may have been a violent incident (possibly involving his wife)which took him before the courts, and there might also be records relating to his detention in Leavesden. Because Leavesden was run by London parishes for London patients, you should direct any enquiries to the London Metropolitan Archives.
However I should tell you that there was no-one with a similar name in Leavesden Asylum in either the 1891 or 1901 censuses.
Alison responded with further queries which were not linked to Hertfordshire, but I decided to have another look at my original notes, and extend them slightly as it it turns out that either one of Louis Flatau's relatives was in Leavesden Hospital in 1901 - or, less likely, Louis was there after his wife remarried but using his mother's maiden name. For this reason I give a tidied up version of my notes below to place what could be an unusual coincidence on record.
Notes on FLATAU, Leavesden, circa 1900
FLATAU - Looks foreign and prone to variation and indexing errors - Found: FLATAU, FLATAN
NEWSTADT - Looks foreign and prone to variation and indexing errors - Found: NEUSTADT, NEWSHANT, NEWSTEAD
Sources Used: FindMy Past, FreeBMD, unindexed images for Leavesden Patients
1841 Census and Notes
|WOOLF, Frances||F||55||1786||General Dealer||Middlesex|
|FAELK, Barnitt||M||1 (20 months)||1840||Middlesex|
A check showed that an Isabelle Woolf married James Falcke in 1838
Baby's name probably "Barnett"
Ann, Isabella and Esther are probably Frances's daughters (not certain in 1841 census)
Petticoat Lane now is, and probably was then, a major street market
Morris Flatau not found - but limitations of census/index may mean he was already in England
Ann Woolf married Morris "Flatan" - Certificate reference: Dec 1842, London, 2 164
Summary of their children
|Name||Born||Place||Birth Certificate Reference||Census|
|Rosella (Rosetta)||1844||Spitalfields, Middx||FLATAU Dec 1844, Whitechapel 2 536||1851, 1861|
|Barnet (Barnett)||1846||Spitalfields, Middx||FLATAU Sep 1846 Whitechapel 2 535||1851, 1861|
|Joseph||1848||Spitalfields, Middx||FLATAN Mar 1848 Whitechapel 2 588||1851, 1861, 1871|
|Lewis||1852||Spitalfields, Middx||FLATAN Sep 1852, Whitechapel 1c 300||1861, 1871|
|Frances (Fanny)||1854||Spitalfields, Middx||FLATAN Sep 1854 Whitechapel 1c 311||1861, 1871, 1881|
|Henry||1856||Spitalfields, Middx||FLATAN Jun 1856 Whitechapel 1c 308||1861, 1871|
|Benjamin Morris||1859||City of London, Middx||FLATAU Dec 1858 E. London 1c 18||1861, 1871|
|Jacob (Jack)||1861||City of London, Middx||FLATAN Mar 1861 E. London 1c 15||1861, 1871, 1881|
|Michael||1863||City of London, Middx||FLATAU Sept 1863 E. London 1c 1||1871, 1881, 1891|
|Montague M||1866||City of London, Middx||FLATAN Jun 1866 E. London 1c 13||1871, 1881|
1851 Census and Notes
|WOOLF, Frances||Head||Widow||F||69||1782||Dealer In Ladies Wardroby||London Bishopgate|
|FLATAN, Morris||Son In Law||Married||M||33||1818||Dealer In Plate||Prussia|
|FLATAN, Nancy||Daughter||Married||F||28||1823||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAN, Rosetta||Grand Daughter||F||6||1845||Scholar||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAN, Barnett||Grand Son||M||4||1847||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAN, Joseph||Grand Son||M||3||1848||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|WOOFE, Isabella||Daughter||Unmarried||F||30||1821||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
Undoubtedly living in same house as in 1841
"Dealer in Plate" undoubtedly means dealer in silver plated goods
Is the unmarried Isabella Woolf the Isabella Falcke in the 1841 census ?????
1861 Census and Notes
|FLATAU, Morris||Head||Married||M||42||1819||Traveller Fancy Goods||Prussia|
|FLATAU, Anne||Wife||Married||F||38||1823||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Rosetta||Daughter||Unmarried||F||16||1845||Dressmaker||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Barnett||Son||M||14||1847||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Joseph||Son||M||13||1848||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Lewis||Son||M||8||1853||Scholar||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Fanny||Daughter||F||6||1855||Scholar||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Henry||Son||M||4||1857||Scholar||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Benjamin||Son||M||2||1859||City of London, Middlesex|
|FLATAU, Jacob||Son||M||0 (2M)||1861||City of London, Middlesex|
|WOOLF, Frances||Mother In Law||Widow||F||79||1782||Spitalfields, Middlesex|
|MC DONALD, Anne||Scholar||Unmarried||F||21||1840||General Servant||Ireland|
St Boltolph Bishopsgate
3, New Street, St Boltolph Bishopsgate, London
Family moved to new address and Morris is now head of household
"Traveller in Fancy Goods" could well include selling silver plate
Is "Jane" correct - or should it be Ann??
Theresa's birth certificate will need checking for her mothers name
Birth certificate reference: Neustadt Theresa Sep 1855 London 1c 80
Perhaps look for death of Jane and remarriege???
1871 Census and Notes
|FLATAN, Mooris||Head||M||52||1819||Jeweller traveling||Scotland|
|FLATAN, Henry||Son||M||14||1857||Bootmaker (apprentice)||London|
For some reason Morris now returning his place of birth as Scotland ???
"Jeweller Traveller" - fits previous occupations
Frances no longer living with them - probably the Frances Woolf (89): Deaths: Mar 1868 E. London 1c 8
Entry looks a little odd - form obviously incorrectly filled in as names in wrong order -
perhaps two families merged ?? Perhaps original form in very difficult writing
1881 Census and Notes
|FLATAN, Morris||Head||Married||M||65||1816||Traveler In Jewelry (?)||Scotland|
|FLATAN, Ann||Wife||Married||F||61||1820||Traveler In Jewelry (?) Wife||London|
|FLATAN, Fanny||Daughter||Single||F||25||1856||Traveler In Jewelry (?) Daur||London|
|THOMPSON, Mary A||Servant||Single||F||21||1860||Domestic Servant||Rotherhithe, Surrey|
|FLATON, Lewis||Head||Married||M||28||1853||Clothiers Cutter||Bishopsgate|
|MCKENZIE, Donald M||Lodger||Single||M||20||1861||Commercial Clerk||Scotland|
|COOK, Lizzie||Servant||Single||F||20||1861||Domestic Servant||London|
1891 Census and Notes
|FLATSAN, Theresa||Daughter||Married||F||30||1861||Walworth, London|
|FLATSAN, Carrie||Granddaughter||F||10||1881||Scholar||Walworth, London|
|FLATAU, Morris||Head||Married||M||72||1819||Retired Traveller||Scotland|
|WOODS, Caroline||Servant||Widow||F||39||1852||Domestic Servant||Shoreditch, London|
Morris Flatau - Death Reference Dec 1894 London 1c 38 (age 75)
1901 Census and Notes
|WADDELL, Albert||Head||Married||M||50||1851||Retired Police Insp Parish Constable||Brickinge, Kent|
|WADDELL, Theresa||Wife||Married||F||46||1855||Eastcheap, London|
|NEWSTEAD, Jacob||Father-In-Law||Married||M||78||1823||Retired Tailor||Germany German Subject|
|NEWSTEAD, Annie||Mother-In-Law||Married||F||87||1814||Germany German Subject|
Scan of Leavesden patients in 1901
I scanned through for all surnames which could have been a corruption of Flatau and also checked all patients who were called Lewis or Louis
One of the lunatic patients at Leavedsen Hospital in 1901 was Lewis Woolf, 52, a tailor born in Spittlefields single.
But if he was still alive Lewis Flatau would have been 48, was a tailor, was born in Spittlefields, and his mother's name was Woolf - At first sight this look interesting.
However a quick check shows there were several people called Lewis Woolf born in London at about the right date, who would have ended up in Leavesden if they became seriously mentally ill.
It may well be that Woolf is a German name (perhaps Ann Woolf's father was German, perhap even called Lewis Woolf) and she had several brothers who stayed in the area and had sons of similar ages which they called Lewis. (Such naming patterns are not uncommon) This could mean that the Lewis Woolf in Leavesdon was a first or second cousin of Lewis Flatau
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