PALIN, St Albans, 1855-1882

January, 2002

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Marjorie Cameron (nee Palin) (marjorie @t gopress.com.au) of Australia writes: Thomas Douglas Palin born 1864, was a choir boy in the abbey. The family home at that time was Verulum House, St Albans. Can you give me any information about his parents.

A quick check of the 1851 and 1881 census returns for St Albans for the name Palin proved negative but a search under St Albans of the Post Office/Kelly's Directories was more helpful.

In addition I noted that 1868 in Mr Edward Palin was elected to the St Albans Borough Council. He only stood for one term so retired in 1871. He is mentioned on a number of lists in my Bernards Heath/St Albans press files He was on a committee to set up the Rifle Corps in 1859 and was a vice president of the St Albans Cricket Club in 1866, retiring as their treasurer in 1868. He was a director of the St Albans Gas Company in 1870, and chairman in 1875. He became a director of the financially unsuccessful St Albans Public Baths Company in 1876

A junior E. Palin played in a cricket match on Bernards Heath in August 1866 between five of the senior and twenty-two of the junior pupils of Claremount House School, St Albans, the former being victorious by 50 runs. He was still playing for the juniors in another school match in 1868. In May 1876 the St Albans Cricket Club held its annual sports on a meadow belonging to my great grandfather, Jacob Reynolds, on Bernards Heath. "... 100 Yards Boys Race: two prizes. E. Palin, scratch; E Gentle, 7 yards; S Clark, 8; Johnson 16; Baldwin 16; and F Reynolds [one of my great-uncles], 25; started. They got of well, and little Reynolds was able to maintain his position for a time., but the superior running of Gentle and Palin enabled them to come in first and second, and S Clarke third. Objection was, however, immediately taken to the winner on the grounds that he was over fourteen years of age; and pending enquiries the committee withheld the prizes. The kids managed to get over the ground in 13 and 4-5ths seconds. [If this is the same E. Palin throughout this would suggest he was born after May 1861 to be under 15 at the time.]

Someone called C. Palin played cricket of Messrs Vyse's team in 1873, Vyse being a large straw hat manufacturer.

While my press files only represent a small fraction of the articles in the Herts Advertiser of the period, the above information suggests that the family was in the area from at least 1859 to about 1877. [Trade directories may already be out of date when they were printed.]

None of the above records prove a link to your grandfather, Thomas Douglas Palin and, as the 1881 census can be searched nationwide I decided to look to see if I could find him. The following family was living at 25 Osbourne Villas, Hornsey, Middlesex [Source FHL Film 1341335, PRO Ref RG11, Piece 1376, Folio 50, Page 93]

Victoria PALIN

Head

W

45

Annuitant

Forest Hill, Surrey

Charles PALIN

Son

U

19

Straw Manufacturer

St Albans, Herts

Henry PALIN

Son

U

18

Straw Manufacturer

St Albans, Herts

Francis PALIN

Son

U

17

Clerk For Warehouse

St Albans, Herts

Thos. PALIN

Son

U

16

Clerk Wholesale Druggist

St Albans, Herts

Herbert PALIN

Son

U

16

Clerk Linen Warehouse

St Albans, Herts

Florence PALIN

Daur

13

Scholar

St Albans, Herts

Mitilda PALIN

Daur

12

Scholar

St Albans, Herts

Eliz. LOGAN

Lady Help

U

43

Lady Help Dom Serv

Berkshire

Elizth. LEONARD

Servant

U

20

Domestic Servant

Hatfield, Herts

Clearly I haven't proved that Edward Palin was your grandfather but it is possible to suggest some things to do that could take you back to your great great grandfather.

If you live in one of Australia's bigger cities it should be possible to follow through the above using a good genealogical library and/or an LDS Family History Centre (address on familysearch). They should at least have the relevant indexes and could help with ordering copies, and may hold some relevant microfilms.

January 2003

Marjorie Cameron writes: Over a year ago as an absolute novice I asked a question.  I didn't see a reply until a Vyse descendant who is an approximate 4th cousin who I found on the internet and who lives in America alerted me to the answer about a week ago.  It is so comprehensive about my Palin greatgrandfather Edward Palin and my Grandfather Thomas Douglas Palin who was born and bred in Verulum House, St.Albans.   I am so grateful for all the work this must have entailed on your part.   Better late than never to say Thank you so much I suppose.  Marjorie.

Thanks for you reply - since your original query I became aware that some people were not revisiting the site to see their replies and now when I do an update I notify all people linked to the update.

January 2014

Lorna Cowan (lornapcowan @t yahoo.co.uk) of Thurlaston, Leicestershire, writes: I was looking for a Mr. Palin of Verulam House and discovered your wonderful site. I have inherited a piece of paper ripped out of my gt grandfather's book which says "On the 24th of May 1878 I, Walter Howard the owner of this book went to work for my first day @ Mr. Palin Verulam House Verulam Road St Albans Herts. Your website said that Directories did not show if the Palins were here after 1877. Now we have more proof. Walter then joined the Railways in Feb. 1880, eventually becoming a clerk. His grandmother was a Jane Reynolds who married Thomas Howard.

In the 12 years since the original post there have been significant changes and the following additional information, not easily available 10 years ago, is rapidly available from records which are now online.

Date Source Place Details
18th September 1796 Marriage Register London John Palin of the parish of All Hallows, Bread Street, London, Bachelor, and Ann Vyse of the parish of St Alban, Wood Street, Spinster. [This suggests a possible family link with the Vyse straw hat manufacturers in St Albans.]
8th June 1799 Baptism (Holborn) Charles Vyse Palin, son of John and Ann Stubbs Palin born.
23 August 1814 Baptism Holborn Charles Vyse Palin, son of John and Ann Stubbs Palin baptised.
19th December 1825 Marriage Holborn Charles Vyse Palin married Maria Crook at St Andrew, Holborn.
29th April 1830 Baptismal Register   Edward Palin Born
8th June 1830 Baptismal Register Holburn Edward Palin was baptised at St Andrew's, Holborn, the son of Charles Vyse Palin, a straw hat maker of Holborn Hill, and Maria, his wife.
1841 Census Clapham 11 year old Edward Palin was living in Albion Street, Clapham, with his parents Charles and Maria Palin and four brothers. His father's occupation is unclear but is probably clerk.
1851 Census Finsbury 20 year old Edward Palin was described as a straw bonnet manufacturer and was living at 42 Chiswell Street, Finsbury, with his father Charles Vyse Palin (a clerk working in the General Registry Office), his mother, brothers, a grandmother (Ann Stubs Palin, born in Birmingham) and an aunt (Ann Vyse Palin).
15th August 1855 Marriage Register Clerkenwell Edward Palin, a warehouse man living at 161 Strand, married Victoria Selina Carlo Pope living at 3 Soley Terrace, at St Mark's church, Clerkenwell. His father was Charles Vyse Palin, government clerk, and her father was William Robert Pope, life insurance agent.
1861 Census St Albans Edward was a straw hat manufacturer living in London Road, St Albans, with his wife and eldest son Edward William (3) and a resident cook and nursemaid.
1871 Census St Albans Edward was a straw hat manufacturer now living in Verulam Road, St Albans, with his wife, six sons and 3 daughters, and a nurse, nursemaid, housemaid and cook.
29th September 1880 Probate Finsbury Park Edward Palin, formerly of St Albans died at his home of 25 Osbourne Villas, Stroud Green Road, Finsbury Park, Middlesex
5th November 1880 Probate [Principal Registry] Probate to Victoria Selina Carlo Palin, widow, of 25 Osbourne Villas, and Charles Vyse Palin, brother, of Prato, Tuscany, Italy.
1881 Census St Albans (Verulam House was occupied by Stephen Adey, brewer and his family.)

In collecting the above information the task was made more difficult by a significant number of unnecessary indexing errors on both Ancestry and FindMyPast.

Ancestry contains a family tree containing Edward Palin

There is a Wikipedia Page on Verulam House

If you can add to the information given above tell me.

January 2014   Page updated