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ELBOURN, St Albans, late 19th century

From the Archives - February 1999

 

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This site, in its present form, was launched in April 2001, replacing an earlier bulletin board system which had developed software problems. I have archive copies of the text of most of the messages, and the following is from February 1999 edited into the current format, with links added in blue

Judi Warren, of Brampton, Ontario, Canada, writes: I am looking for any information (birthdates etc.) on the descendants of George Elbourn  who I believe was born around 1830's in St. Albans . He had 5 children, Joseph, James, Elizabeth, Emily and Fred (my great, great, grandfather born c.1860). Any information on spouses, dates of birth occupations etc. would be greatly appreciated.

From the information you give it would be well worth you while looking at the microfilms of the census returns for St Albans which should give you much of the information you seek.

In addition you may be interested in the following information from my press files relating mainly to Bernards Heath, St Albans. I have various photocopies of cuttings from the Herts Advertiser which include the name Elborn/Elbourn, and may well find more as my indexing proceeds. The dates relate to the date of publication. I have also included a couple of trade directory entries. It is clear that the spelling was variable and that there were several Elbourn families in St Albans in the second half of the 19th century.

C. ELBOURN played for the St Albans Perseverance Club when they played cricket against Luton United (2nd & 9th August 1862) Other members of the team were T. PEARCE, T. WESTAL , G. EVANS, G. HILLIARD, C. CROUCH, W. DIXON, E. LUCK, J. COLLINS, C. GILES and J. LAWRENCE

The first match was at Luton, and the St Albans team lost. The return match was on Bernards Heath and the St Albans team won. After the match an excellent dinner was provided on the ground by Mr Deayton, of "The Trumpet."

James ELBORN, junior, basket maker, Lower Dagnall Street, 1862

John HARRIS
and Alfred ELBORN, of St Stephens, guilty of trespassing in search of conies on land of Mr. George FRANCIS. Edmund CLERK was assistant gamekeeper to the Earl of VERULAM. … Harris had been previously convicted five times. (20th January 1866 )

In 1871 William SEABROOK was charged with stealing a copper pump, value £2, the property of Mr Frederick BARFORD. Joseph ELBORN gave evidence " I am a labourer. Last Monday morning I was at work for Mr. SAVAGE, digging foundations for cottages on the left side of Bernard’s Heath, going from the town. …" ( 23rd September 1871 ) [
For a longer account of this case see Old News - Charge of Stealing a Copper Pump from a Brickfield]

George Elbourne is listed as a shopkeeper in Grange Street in 1890.

Jane Elbourn was one of the children attending the prize-giving at the Abbey National School. (10th February, 1894 )

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January 2005

Carole MacPherson [now of (macs260769 @t btinternet.com) of Cliveden, Bucks], writes: Some years ago, when we were all much younger! I emailed you about my St Albans relations, the Elborns, (sp var).  Then, you very kindly answered my question, saying there had been something in the local paper about getting caught for maybe trespassing for coneys.  Sadly, I have moved computers since then and had not saved your answer.  Did you publish these early answers to a website back then?  I think it would have been about 1999. Now I really have so much more time as I am retired to work properly on the family history, which I am finding fascinating, it would be wonderful to see again your findings.  Are they still on the web?

As you will see from the above, the original material got "lost" from the web, but I have archived material which has allowed me to reconstruct the original question and answer, and include a little extra information.

Carole continued: Also, what was the rule/convention in Victorian times about marrying your brother or sister in law?  Was it illegal - I have read your page about the Burchmores [see Right Name, Wrong Body?] and we have a similar situation in our family.  I am worried that it might be bigamy though!  William Ellborn to Fanny Ellborn in 1842. I received the marr cert this morning and it  really is not correct.  She married Joseph Elborn in 1824 but calls herself spinster.

As I understand it, being married to the brother or sister of a deceased spouse was not illegal (in civil terms) but the Church of England would not knowingly carry out such a wedding. Before 1837 this meant that the second marriage was carried out in a church where the relationship was not known, and not in the local town or village. For many Hertfordshire couples in this situation the second marriage took place in London. After civil registration began in 1837 it was no longer necessary for a marriage to be carried out by the Church of England - so it was even easier.

On reading the above Carole commented: I am now on a quest for a body of Joseph Elborn, (alive or dead) after the birth of his last child in 1835, the C Elborn of the cricket team you mentioned.  The Herts NBI shows nothing ........... but that's what genealogy is all about, sleuthing! The naughty Alfred was my great grandfather.

February 2005

Pam Dollimore (pam_dollimore @t hotmail.com) writes I believe Carol is right Fanny (Elborn?), spinster m Joseph Elborn in 1824 and had 2nd marriage to Wm Elborn in 1842.  It appears that Joseph and Wm were brothers. Pam provided the following information - which I have reorganised into a table:

1851 Census, Catherine St., St. Peters Christening - IGI Death - Free BMD
Name Rel. Age  Occupation    
William Elborn Head 42 Labourer c Feb 17, 1811 St. Peters s/o Daniel Elborn & Eliza C072863 Wm Elborn age 72 died Mar 1880 St. Albans
Fanny Elborn Wife 49     Frances Elborn age 75 died Jun 1875 St. Albans
George Elborn Unm Son 26 Labourer c Oct 17, 1824 Redbourn s/o Joseph Elborn & Fanny George Elborn d Sep 1896 (b 1824)
Charles Elborn Unm Son 15   c Oct 4, 1835 St. Peters s/o Joseph Elborn & Fanny  
William Elborn Son 11   c July 5, 1840 St. Peters s/o Fanny Elborn  
Alfred Elborn Son 7   c Oct 29, 1843 St. Peters s/o Wm Elborn & Fanny  
Joseph Elborn Son 4   c Sep 27 1846 St. Peters s/o Wm Elborn & Fanny  

Pam also noted the following marriage on the IGI  - Daniel Elborn & Eliza Howard m Nov 7, 1801 St. Peter, St. Albans M072861

To fill in the picture I can add: the following christenings at St Peters, which suggest William and Joseph were brothers, from the IGI:

  1. JOSEPH ELBORN - 03 OCT 1802 - married Fanny Carrington at Redbourn 12 June 1824
  2. GEORGE ELBORN - 11 MAR 1804
  3. ELIZABETH ELBORN - 17 APR 1808
  4. DANIEL ELBORN - 17 APR 1808
  5. WILLIAM ELBORN - 17 FEB 1811
  6. SUSANNA ELBORN - 23 APR 1815 
  7. MARY ELBORN - 20 SEP 1818

A key document is clearly the 1841 census. This is difficult to read in places but the following family is recorded as living in Catherines Lane, St Peters, St Albans:

William Elborn 30 Labourer
[unreadable] 35 P. R.
George Elborn 15 ??
Hannah Elborn 10  
Chas. Elborn 5  
Willm. Elborn 1  
Jane Carrington 60 P. L.

While the 2nd name is unreadable due to discolouration at the bottom of the page, it is compatible with Fanny Elborn. While the relationships are not included in the 1841 returns this show a household with William being considered as head, together with Fanny [nee Carrington] and her children and (I assume) her mother. (I am not sure if the "P. R." stands for "Parish Relief" - but if they are available at HALS it could be worth checking the Workhouse records to see if Fanny and the children ever received parish relief.)

I would think that the 1841 census strongly supports the theory that William moved in with Fanny sometime after Joseph died - and after a few years decided to regularise the situation.

March 2005

Mike Hagger (mike @t hagger.org) writes: I am a g-g-g-grandson of Joseph Elborn and Fanny (nee Carrington).  I have been in touch with both Judy and with Carole from the earlier correspondence. When Fanny married William Elborn (21 August 1842 - Harpenden) she described herself as of Full age (true); a spinster (clearly not true); occupation plaiter (PL in the census?); resident in Harpenden (? convenience address?); and gave her father's name as Carrington Ellborn (all spellings on the certificate have 2 Ls). The last piece of information barely covers the truth and suggests a degree of connivance between the couple and the church.

The 1841 census seems right, and I agree that the faded entry is Fanny.  As far as I know her parents were Jonathan Carrington and Jane (nee?).  Fanny (Frances) was baptised in Redbourn on 14 March 1802.

Thanks for the confirmatory evidence.

March 2008

See also Elborn, Hertfordshire area, 19th Century

If you can add to the information given above tell me.

March 2008   Message from Mike
August 2011   New contact details for Carole